C0011/498, Transcript of Proceedings [2002] AIRCTrans 5086 (18 December 2002)

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TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

O/N 100199

AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRIAL

RELATIONS COMMISSION

COMMISSIONER RAFFAELLI

C No 00114 of 1998

OVERSEAS AIRLINES AWARD 1994

Review under item 51, schedule 5,
Transitional WROLA Act 1966
re award simplification

SYDNEY

9.30 AM, THURSDAY, 28 NOVEMBER 2002

THIS MATTER WAS CONDUCTED BY TELSTRA CONFERLINK

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Telstra conferencing recording of Commissioner F. Raffaelli's conference call for the Australian Industrial Relations Commission on 28 November 2002, 9.30 am Melbourne daylight time.

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PAM: Good morning everybody. This is Pam from Telstra conferencing. Do I have on line Ms Linda White?

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MS WHITE: Yes.

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PAM: I have Jasmine - - -

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JASMINE: Yes.

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PAM: - - - in place of David Hargrave?

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JASMINE: Thank you.

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PAM: And Commissioner Frank Raffaelli. Should you require assistance during the call you can either star then zero on your touch phone and that will signal or if you are disconnected call 1800 637 952. The conference number is 137 and at the Commissioner's request this conference is being recorded. Thank you, go ahead, please.

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MS ..........: Good morning everyone. If you just hold I will put the Commissioner on, thank you.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Hello?

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MS ..........: Good morning, Commissioner.

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MS ..........: Good morning, Commissioner.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Okay, is that you, Ms White?

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MS WHITE: Yes, I am here, yes.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Right, and who else? Ms Strimer, is it?

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MS J. STRIMER: That is right, Commissioner.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Okay. Well, this matter was on in early October and there was going to be some - I think the AIG was looking at something, appropriate designations or definitions etcetera. Can someone report as to what has been happening and what has happened?

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MS STRIMER: Yes, thank you, Commissioner. As at this time, the representatives of the board of Airline Representatives of Australia have been meeting regarding this matter. Since our last conference before you significant progress has been made and we are approaching the final part of what - the work that we have been doing on this matter. Speaking with Mr Hargraves this morning he tells me that in another two to three weeks the parties will be ready to hand their draft over to the union and to begin considering the next part of this process so that is where we are at at the moment.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Right, and so far you have had no - there has been no discussions with the ASU?

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MS STRIMER: Not at this time, not yet.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Right. So you can't add to that can you, Ms White?

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MS WHITE: No.

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THE COMMISSIONER: No.

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MS WHITE: I can confirm there has been no discussion with the ASU and we, I guess, will await the draft and/or respond as soon as we get that. We are consulting generally among our membership in anticipation but that will begin in earnest when we receive something from the AIG.

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MS STRIMER: As I am sure you can appreciate, Commissioner, such a process and dealing with many airlines who all want a say in the process has made it a slightly longer process to get the ball rolling then we had initially expected but as I said before significant work has been done and we are nearing the end of that process and to get ready to begin negotiations with the ASU in the near future.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Yes. What timeframe should we have because I propose adjourning and then re-listing the matter again by phone for report back?

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MS WHITE: Yes.

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MS STRIMER: Yes.

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THE COMMISSIONER: What timeframe, given the period of the year - - -

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MS STRIMER: Yes.

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THE COMMISSIONER: - - - should we have to re-list the matter and I say re-list it following discussions - you know, in other words, at a time after the ASU have got a document and there has been some discussions between you?

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MS STRIMER: If that was the case, Commissioner, I wouldn't think about re-listing it before beginning of February.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, yes, okay. You agree with that, Ms White?

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MS WHITE: Yes, I think that is probably the sagest course from our point of view.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Okay, all right. Well, look, what I will do is I won't give you the date now but it will be by phone so that tends to enable you to fit in. If not, we will change it. But I will re-list it. It is some time in early February for a further report back but I think it is important to have these dates so that we don't let the thing slide. Okay, thank you both.

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MS WHITE: Thank you, Commissioner.

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MS STRIMER: Thank you, Commissioner.

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THE COMMISSIONER: Goodbye.

ADJOURNED INDEFINITELY